A 25 year veteran Flight Attendant is exactly who you want on a Flight if there's any type of emergency. Young people / College students have an ability to enjoy activities that are very cheap / free. Sounds ripe for an age discrimination lawsuit at some point too. Having been a flight attendant I can tell you 15 days is not part time. Alaska Airlines Business Card Review: 70K Miles & Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. David Neeleman, the founder of Breeze Airways, also started JetBlue not too long ago, but the pilot payscale for both companies is quite different. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? I'm a retired AA captain. And I think at the moment there are a lot of pilots looking for work. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. So Breeze may hire twentysomethings and train them, so what? Spirit airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the world proving that many people care more about price than most other things on flights. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? Posts: 36,185. There have been several regionals that have gone under recently which have temporarily flooded the market with pilots. You seem to be an angry young man. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. I am a 40 year flight attendant at a legacy carrierand I llove my job. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. There will be plenty of applicants! That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. This means pilots (not just new pilots ) are out there making with the government wants minimum wage to be. And Coke Zero, make it a large. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms and during spring break we slept 12 to a hotel room. Breeze Airways Hello! 2) Free Travel! What Are Redeye Flights? Do you see 50 yo or 70 yo lifeguards on the beach? You should be too. Not if you wanted good work done. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! Breeze knows this. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. They have no employees right now and are relying upon applicants to look at the pay and say "Sounds good enough to me." Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. And was told that 90% would be "turns", out and back same day - no layovers. I would have loved an opportunity like this. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. I am sure they expect this, but will like to see what happens. If Breeze employees get stock (I'm no insider but assume they will), and Breeze succeeds, they stand to make up later in capital gains potentially much more than they forego today in ordinary income. Grumpy old man can be Ebenezer Scrooge. S C A R Y. When I spoke to Utah Valley Univ recruiters they hinted heavily the program was designed for the under 25 crowd. Does everyone just think about cost of a ticket, but not how safe the aircraft are? It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. No we need less and need more solid middle class jobs. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. There's a lot Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. ), what most likely happened after you got your paralytic and your anesthesia is some slightly tired, fresh-face resident came in to practice his/her craft on you. The benefit of getting on right now at Breeze is seniority in the future. See point 2. Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. I have no doubts in How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim. We wont pay for nice things. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Do they add up for you? *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. I worked as a host at a restaurant for minimum wage in college and didnt make close to $1200/mo and still had full tuition and room/board to pay. Sorry @john S. my comment was for @Monty C. -. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. Not how youd describe most 70-year-olds. To compare, many carriers guarantee at least 75 hours a month. Time away from home and on duty? The job may fit more workers than you think. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time. Of Course, Oops: Jetstars Embarrassing Bali Flight Blunder. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). It's capitalism in it's most raw form. Then there are the wages and hours questions. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. To that end, it's not that much different than regular college life (many students work part time), but you won't burden yourself with huge college debt because those kids won't have to worry about tuition and housing. Breeze Airways provides nonstop service between underserved routes across the U.S. at affordable fares. The industry does need an overall. They know how lousy the job market is right now, and Im sure they have a very good idea of what the numbers are going to look like, not only now, but in the coming months and years when it comes to out-of-work pilots. Where do I sign up? Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. Learn about Breeze Airways culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. I think at a pay rate of $1,200 a month, most of their flight attendants will come from A Handmaids Tale! Aviation is amazing!! I wish more airlines provided housing options. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. It may be time to consider this for FAs too. This is not to fault or say any of my peers who's airlines have gone defunct (through no doing of their own) are underskilled pilots - they are well seasoned vets of an industry that was finally recovering from 9/11, the recession, age 65 rule and now COVID. @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. Go there to get flight time and then move on. I have worked with underpaid and undermotivated staff, and it s not pretty: for the staff, the management, the investors and the customers. A place that likes control over everyone and everything, Mormone like. However, earning minimum wages at a dead-end job, working every weekend, no benefits, no time/money/opportunity to explore new cities, and being forced to sign a 4-year contract at the outset are all red flags that employment as a flight attendant at Breeze should be avoided at all costs. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. Fares are still way to high in the industry. According to the hiring website, the maximum you can work is 60 hours a month and a maximum of 12 days. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. I have no idea if they will be paid CA or FO rate while flying the right seat though. Since most flight attendants are women - it also shows how Neeleman views females. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. So, that will Hey. Guest Service Plan. At the end of the day your skill set is only worth what the market will pay. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is not only poorly paid, but offers next-to-zero chances of becoming a career with that employer, while being viewed negatively by the career employers in the field. JetBlue First Officers: $89 an hour for year 1 and $130 an hour by year 6, Captains at JetBlue: $192 an hour to start, then a climb to $203 an hour by year. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. I worked my way through college and I would have LOVED to have free housing provided. Its their choice. Not Verified | Breeze is an interesting new airline with pros and cons. This wage is above the federal minimum wage, includes housing and a $6k tuition credit. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. Breeze's minimum qualifications The basic requirements to become a Breeze pilot come down to flight hours. And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? Whats my take? Be honest. If not enough apply because the pay is too low, then the company can decide if they want to raise their pay. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Good luck, Febreeze! My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. These numbers are minimums. He learned his trade at the knee of Mitt Romney. $1200 per month is a crime. Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. Could happen. I have suggested reestablishing a mandatory retirement age for flight crew and a renaming to inflight first responders. Both the developers and the company very much like this arrangement. The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. maximum takeoff weight), Note: PIC is defined as Captain or Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must pass a DOT pre-employment drug test, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, MyIDTravel (preferred), or list at the gate, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. I'm much more concerned about the pilot pay scale than whatever arrangement Breeze works out with its FAs. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. Eight hours plus. Cringing at the pay rateless than $100 per day and the hours can be brutal. Even with the limited details we know, its clear Breeze will be different than other airlines, from its approach to hiring flight attendants, to its cost structure, to its fleet. Prime Minister/Moderator. A great position to have in your 20's while you work towards advancing your education or other opportunities. Posted by 5 minutes ago. I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six JetBlue Captains: $182,000 by year six Caveats The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. This is how young doctors learn their craft in America and all over the world. Or the app crashing? Yes, I am hoping for the best for this start up! I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. If a for-profit-company hires someone and calls an "intern," that person is still an employee and subject to all of the requirements of the FLSA, The pay is horrifically low, though. The Dept. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! For the rest of my career at VX I commuted into SFO the night before a trip. You get what you pay for folks! 3.Enough may feel 1. Reactions: Karee. Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. Today the average annual income for A320 FO's are at incredible $20k. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. I don't see a huge ad component to revenue, which isn't how he ran JetBlue when he started it in the lowest point of the dotcom bust era. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. Captain 1st year $192 and $203 in year six. Do you really want to get on an airplane flown by people with financial problems and no better options? @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. save. At least here they will learn something. Heres what we can expect from pricing and fees in general: Breeze is launching operations with Embraer 190/195 aircraft, which the airline is leasing for very little. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Spirit passengers, not so much. The company hopes to take flight just over two years later, with service launching later this year. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. Does the hourly rate even amount to minimum wage? Take it easy. My point is: Why pay more if you don't have to? But lets say you have a couple of days off. Getting paid $30-$40,000 isnt enough to keep most from leaving after a year. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. Maybe wait and see? Salary; Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF: Breeze Aviation Group: Norfolk, VA: $34K-$53K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time PVU: Breeze Aviation Group: Provo, UT: $39K-$60K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time TPA: Breeze Aviation Group: Tampa, FL: $33K-$53K: Intern Procurement - Summer 2023: Breeze Aviation . Breeze Now, Pay Later. $1,200 a month is an embarrassment. Please use the form below to submit updates and corrections to the airline information found on this site. They will also receive $6,000 towards tuition for online coursework and company housing. Word is Allegiant about to get a TA/contract that surpasses our own in pay, benefits etc. Some of these kids may never have ever been able to do that. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. Also: are families welcome? Just the other day, the neighborhood Japanese restaurant is using robots to deliver food. 35 developed countries around the world have better healthcare than the USA and many of them don't leave their citizens without a safety net.